Just read a Seoul Beats article covering this latest development, whose writer Patricia interestingly mentions that “whenever a K-pop idol leaves for the army, it’s a huge reality check”:
Because let’s face it: for the most part, K-pop is the stuff of fantasy, and K-pop culture monopolizes on that fact: idols are molded to be as superhumanly perfect as possible, themes deemed too heavy for popular consumption are censored out, and things like love, sadness, and tragedy are trivialized.There’s a reason why you’ve got so many fans flocking to K-pop as a means of escape from the real world.
But the history and politics behind Korea’s mandatory military requirement is very, very real. Whenever another K-pop star heads to the army, it temporarily breaks the K-pop fantasy and serves as a reminder that beyond the wonderful, fanciful world of K-pop, these people whom we have deemed ‘idols’ live in a country with issues that transcend beyond the triviality of who-is-dating-who and who got cheated out of a music show award.
Korea is a lot bigger than just K-pop, and many fans who get caught up in K-pop idoldom (myself included) can sometimes forget that fact. In a way, Super Junior epitomizes all that is wonderful and fanciful about K-pop: the good-looking members, the infectiously catchy music, the shipping (the shipping!), and the legion of fans who have decidedly fallen in love with them. It’s really humbling to see this titan of K-pop fantasy begin to fall back to reality, one by one. We’ll miss them as they go, of course, but I think that seeing K-pop idols go off to the military is a good thing for both the idols and the fans. Like most Korean men who have served their time in the military, the idols return with new, matured perspectives on life and reality. Here’s hoping that the fans will do the same.
(Oh.. I just blockquoted like 75% of the article ^^)
When it comes to K-pop, for many it’s a hard fight against the inevitable descent towards the dark and lonely abyss of fandom. But you know you’ve crossed the line when you find yourself running away from home in hopes of meeting oppahr, blackmailing idols, or spamming them on Twitter. There’s no excuse to treat those we idolize like only non-reactive, non-human entities, nor as ‘entities’ we think we ‘unquestionably’ know inside-out and have complete control over… precisely the dangerous tendencies of those who’ve let themselves go a little too deep into the K-pop fantasy. And unfortunately, those tendencies don’t stop there. Take five minutes and browse through the posts of a site like Kpop Secrets and you’ll see what I mean. The world of fandom truly is an ugly one.
And it’s true what Patricia says: K-pop is NOT what Korea is all about. It never fails to leave me completely mindfacked whenever I hear fellow fans talk about the country as if the idols themselves were roaming the streets 24/7. Sure, K-pop can be seen as a force that serves a very important role for modern day Korea. But that doesn’t mean we should immediately associate aspects such as the Korean everyday life, Korean history, Korean food, Korean language — things that deserve to be appreciated on its own — to K-pop. True, understanding such aspects helps us foreign fans get a better grasp on the ongoings in the K-pop world, but to subject everything Korean to what you see in K-pop is not only ignorant, but disrespectful.
Anyways. Heechul will be officially enlisted September 1st, and instead of active duty he’ll be instead involved in public service duties due to a past leg injury. All the best to him!
(Done as a request by taezon. Sorry for the delay — my internet’s signal wasn’t very nice to me over the past few days T_T)
(Image source: Google)
It was only until after I read an article given to me by taezon a few days ago did it truly, truly dawn on me the extreme lengths fans (“fans”) are willing to go to achieve… well, I don’t know what ends exactly. Granted, I’ve commented here and there about delusional k-pop/k-entertainment maniacs, but the story of Epik High’s Daniel Lee (or known to the masses as Tablo) is unlike anything we’ve seen before. “The Persecution of Daniel Lee" illustrates the chilling reality of the impact netizens have, and how something seemingly harmless like a small online community can garner enough power to dominate national headlines and eventually destroy not only the lives of a celebrity and his loved ones, but anyone who chooses to put forward their support.
Hmmm, well to be honest, being the BEAST stan that I am, my automatic response was ~*RAVING JEALOUSY*~ (because I mean, who wouldn’t want to be hugged by Junhyung like that?! lol), but the comments on the video are completely uncalled for. The thought of idols and coordinoonas being extremely close should come as no surprise, and seriously, whatever happens between them is none of our business. If they’re best friends, good for them. If they’re dating, good for them. The most we can do is be supportive of idols’ personal decisions, and being fans absolutely does not make us the puppetmasters of their personal lives. If the comments made were based on that video alone and in the heat of the moment, then we have some really disgusting B2UTies in our fandom. Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing.
On a side note, this video alone and the interaction between Junhyung and the coordionator is honest to god not enough to draw conclusions from. Seriously, it’s just a playful hug or skinship or whatever you want to call it. Again, if people claim they’re doing it behind closed doors by the mere sight of this, and without the knowledge of any facts, then they’re messed up in the head.
However, there apparently is more to this than just this video. Browsing through posts under my tracked tag, I came across a couple of posts that provide supposed backstories about this particular coordinoona:
(full credits go to these Tumblrs for the sources — for anyone reading this post, please like the above posts to give the OP notes)
As of now, there is no way to ensure that these are legit. Whether or not one believes these things is up to them. I don’t know if I believe them myself. You have to decide for yourself whether or not K-B2UTies have a reason to make up lies (but considering that these may be the same K-B2UTies that attacked Yoseob during the whole “girlfriend rumor” ordeal thing, something tells me that I should stay critical).
But say these things were true. If they were, the biggest problem would definitely be the maltreatment of both fans and idols. This coordinator has no right whatsoever to treat idols and fans like shit — in truth, she has no power over anything. The anger of B2UTies would be quite justified — we are the ones buying the albums and busting our asses to show up to fanmeets. But when it comes down to it, it’s all about respect between individuals, regardless of your position. Just because you hang out with idols 24/7 doesn’t make you all the more ‘special’. And it definitely doesn’t give you the right to smack them around.
I seriously think that if these rumors were indeed true, K-B2UTies should find a legitimate way to sack this coordinator for good (by going to the agency and reporting abuses, sigining petitions, etc); and intl B2UTies should indeed participate. Nevertheless, before all this needs to happen, we need to be sure these rumors are true. For all we know, this could simply be a fictitious story concocted by a bunch of jealous B2UTies trying to find an excuse to win points from the boys. I’m not trying to make matters worse by bringing this up, and I’m not attempting to point fingers at anyone specifically, but in a fandom, anything is possible. And every story has two sides.
I’m curious to know whether the rest of the coordi crew and the idols themselves are aware of her inappropriate behavior (again, assuming that this is all true), and whether someone in the higher ranks have actually raised to voice against this woman. Because seriously, such behavior shouldn’t have gone completely unnoticed.
As for now, however, we shouldn’t let this bother us too much. Considering the fact that we’re international fans especially, we have way less power than K-B2UTies to do anything… the most we can do is passively rely on news that gets sent to us from the SK fans. They know way more about the truth of these rumors, and we need to have faith in the
less delusional fans to sort things out the right way. That’s the biggest disadvantage of being an intl fan, unfortunately — not having access to the whole range of sources that could be used when it comes to issues like this.
But again, if one thing matters the most, it’s the truth to these rumors. Lies spread like wildfire. So someone with the power to do so need to take responsibility and check the facts before any action is taken. Maltreatment of fans AND of idols is a serious thing… and god knows that the last thing we need is more forms of violence in this fandoms.
Thank you so much for this tip, and I hope I addressed it adequately :] drop by my ask if you need anything else!
(image source: Google images)
Hoo geez, this is a hard one. Honestly, if I didn’t get a request, I wouldn’t have bothered to make a post on this issue. I’ll explain myself later.
f(x)’s Krystal is currently a hot topic among netizens for supposedly acting rude towards her ice-skating coach (Lee Donghoon) on SBS’s “Kiss & Cry”. According to Allkpop,
[…] viewers noticed an air of tension […] Like any trainer would, Lee attempted to teach Krystal from the basics, step by step. However, Krystal proved to be a bit of a difficult student, “He only teaches me the basics, and basics are no fun.”
With a sigh, Lee remarked, “It was difficult to train her because she refused to learn the basics. She would just stand there, and even when I told her to skate, she wouldn’t.”
Some viewers felt that Krystal’s poor attitude escalated when she bluntly stated, “He’s a poor instructor because he’s only used to singles. It’s really frustrating.” Lee is also seven years her senior, but Krystal didn’t hesitate to glare at him whenever their opinions clashed.
The article also provided a video, posted under the cut (with subs).
First we had Rania, now this.
(image source: Allkpop)
Apparently on Allkpop, SNSD’s Taeyeon is getting quite a bit of shit for doning this “revealing” outfit during a performance of their Japan showcase.
I am boiling with fury here. Some of these comments seriously disgust me. They’re logical, yes, but so incredibly sexist.
TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of slut-shaming, rape, and sexual assault. And clear hints of a very pissed-off blogger.
According to reports, a woman had visited the Cube Entertainment office looking for her daughter, who had run away from home with hopes of meeting Yoseob.
Because she did not return home the previous night, the mom felt she had no choice but to come to the company office. After hearing her story, staff members began searching the area around B2ST’s dorm and were eventually able to find her daughter, who had stood outside waiting the entire night.
Representatives said, “Yoseob met with the fan and told her that she could come meet B2ST whenever she wanted to, as long as she never ran away from home again. The fan listened and returned home.”
They continued, “We are thankful for fans expressing their love for B2ST, but please remember that you are also a member of society and need to act accordingly. Running away from home to meet your favorite artist is not a proper expression of your love for them.”
Wow, just another example of the lengths fans would go to express their love for their idols…
…please remember that you are also a member of society and need to act accordingly. Running away from home to meet your favorite artist is not a proper expression of your love for them.
^ THIS FOREVER. The outcomes of unconventional expressions of love barely work in real life, ESPECIALLY when it’s for a celebrity… it’s not the movies, people.
And I’m seriously super curious about what exactly compels fans to pursue this type of behavior… celebrity-worship syndrome?
Moreover, a big, fat KUDOS to Yoseob for being the ideal ‘idol’… this isn’t the first time he’s gone out of his way to correct fan behavior (see here and here). In my eyes, he sets the standards of what a true ‘idol’ is suppose to be (that is, if we are obliged to keep calling them that). Yes, it’s sad we’ve got celebrities now policing their fans, but this is what has become as the reality of these fandoms. I guess it’s a place to start. As tiring as it is, keep up the good work, Yangyo.
But anyways, as dangerous as this was, I couldn’t help but simply think, “she eventually met Yoseob, didn’t she?” Haha. Ahh, the wonders of unintended (or intended) consequences. But NEVERTHELESS, doing stuff like this probably isn’t worth it in the long run. I’m especially talking about the possible domino effect… I wouldn’t be surprised if over the next few days we see reports of other fans attempting to the do same thing, with the same hopes to meeting their idol face-to-face. Ugh, DNW.
BRB while I finish packing my stowaway bag.
Junhyung, Youngwon, wait for me…
Kso, like I said, I don’t follow kpopsecrets. But I see some reblogged onto my dash from people I follow, and there are some I can’t help but address. Such as this. And it really tugged at my heartstrings.
I am a proud fanboy.
I like a K-Pop boy group = people say “You’re GAY”
I like a K-Pop girl group = people say ”You’re GAY”
I like K-Pop = people say ”You’re GAY”
I’m tired of those judgmental people. And I don’t know If I should still continue expressing my like for good music.
s!b: Many fanboys experience this.
The language people seem to have addressed the OP with, first of all, comes off as homophobic. We’ve all seen this classic example too many times: attaching a negative connotation to the word ‘gay’. Excuse me, but what are actual gay people supposed to feel about this?
Secondly, how I empathize with the OP. So much. Even as a fanGIRL I get called out for listening to this ‘gay’ music*. We have our experiences with supposed ‘stigmas’ as kpop fans in general, but I would think that fanboys in particular would have it just a tad worse.
*To which I respond, “there’s nothing wrong with being gay,” to which people respond, “no, not GAY as in homosexual,” (jadfjaldl *KEYSMASH* -______-) to which I respond with a very cynical “then what else do you mean,” to which THEY respond with a “you get what I mean” to which I respond with a “no I don’t” and yeah… you get my drift. Nothing peeves my pet more than a conversation like this. Seriously. Ok I’ll stop.
Two points I would like to make:
Generally speaking though, the fact that fanboys are especially frowned upon by everyone else is absurd. OP needs to keep expressing the fact that he is a proud fanboy (just as long as he’s ‘fanboying’ harmlessly, of course). This also brings up the issue of kpop being a rather ‘stigmatized’ genre itself (for some, I guess. Myself included.) Music elitists scoff at us kpop fans. (And I scoff at music elitism. They’re just as ridiculous as gender stereotypes.) Again, music is personal… the way we take it in and experience it is all personal. No socially constructed rules or boundaries should ever be allowed to affect how we enjoy music.
(So we have divisions not only within kpop, but between kpop and everything else. Perrrrfect. -_-)
I’m really curious though, what other ‘stigmas’ do kpop fanboys in particular experience? (Not that any of them are justified, of course. Let’s see how much more we can refute.) And if you are a fanboy, don’t feel obligated to answer if you don’t wish to, of course. But angrykpopfan is here for you. All of you.
Why I don’t follow sites like kpopsecrets.
There are fans out there that take kpop way too seriously. In a bad way. To the point where they’ve become so intolerant of the diverse opinions floating around out there.
"You’re no true fan because you don’t like all the members."
"You have no right to say you’re a fan because you think this way about this member."
If there is a place where the rules of what it means to be a fan are written in stone, someone please show it to me and (
after a tad more sessions of bitching) I’ll shut up. Since when did it stop being enough to simply enjoy the music? Why do some fans have sticks stuck up their asses? For goodness sakes, not everyone in a single fandom (‘fandom’) is going to have a xerox copy of the opinions you hold. There are about 6 billion people on this earth, making it an infinite range of opinions that exist out there. The least we can do is help one another understand each other, and tolerate each other.
And seriously, kpop? People are gonna start coming at each other because of kpop? People are exploding into blind rage because of kpop? We have ENOUGH stupid things we’re fighting over in this world, ok. Let’s not make kpop one of them. It’s music. It’s entertainment. We enjoy it in our own personal ways.
Now, take note I’m talking about the petty, petty little things people fuss over. Like ‘swaggerjacking’ and hairstyles and shit (seriously people). The bigger-picture implications, however, is another story. And that’s what this blog is all about. Now, I know running a blog like this basically legitimizes me as someone who “takes kpop seriously.” I take its social implications seriously. I take this seriously because I have seen the different ways it harms its fans and its idols, on both an individual and systematic level.
I’m writing this post because yesterday, I saw a Tumblr friend of mine being verbally attacked online by other fans about a post she wrote up. I choose to say ‘attacked’ because a) people were cussing her out, and b) it was provoking, offensive, and upsetting to read. I mean, I got disturbed reading it — I can’t imagine what my friend must have felt. I must admit though, I did not necessarily agree with her opinions, and I do in fact side with some of the points people refuted her argument with, but it was done so in such an inappropriate and blatantly nasty way. I mean, come on, how can anything be achieved if people are throwing words like “ass-faced” or “bitch” around? If you want to make someone understand, then don’t you want to at least make them respect you first so that they’d firstly listen to you? If you’re not respecting them (and making it obvious you don’t), then how do you expect your conversation to get anywhere?
By the way, it was about a group who she likes, but held a few negative opinions about them that are obviously personal. I MEAN, WHAT EVEN. This just shows how absolutely intolerant fans are. They cannot stand hearing controversial comments about their idols. By all means, disagree, you have all the right to do so, but why go apeshit over it?! Like I said, it’s fricking kpop. It’s music. It’s not like it’s poverty or misogyny.
Take a few minutes to step back, inhale a few breaths, and realize that none of this is worth getting your panties all tied up in a knot. I’m not saying you should apologize for your opinions, but you should at least think about the way you word them. Being rude and disrespectful is seriously not worth it. You’re not achieving anything except being rude and disrespectful.
On a side note, I’m especially fuming right now because I found myself lurking on a few anti-SNSD forums (I don’t know why — one minute I’m enjoying IaMmE’s performances on YouTube, and before you know it I’m googling the girl group OTL). But yeah, let me just share the link here.
I can’t believe I actually read the entire thing. And again, I’m no fan of SNSD’s or SUJU’s or anything, but reading this (assuming it’s true) it’s just… oh my god. Just disturbing. The lengths both fans AND anti-fans will go. People get hurt, both physically and mentally… divisions are both created and intensified. Obsessions and delusions become legitimized. And at the end of the day, what does it achieve? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
All this sickens me. People like this ruin kpop for me.
An update on Chae Dongha’s suicide — idols tweet their words of despair and condolences:
T-ara’s Eunjung wrote, “Dong Ha oppa, what just happened? You’re a person who shone as brightly as a star; you’re someone I looked up to since I was a trainee. I’m so, so sad, and my heart is pained.”
HaHa wrote, “Damn! Everyone! Please take care of those around you. Please! Please! Please! Please take care of them. Let’s please live. Listen to them. Just be by them. Why does everyone…”
Kim Hyung Joon wrote, “May he rest in peace. My heart is pained.”
Song Ho Bum wrote, “I hope Dong Ha rests in peace. Please pray so that he goes to a better place. I think being a singer is so hard because when you’re forgotten, you feel as if you’ve been thrown away. I know that feeling so well, and it hurts me that much more. I wasn’t even able to tell him to find strength.”
Kim Kwang Soo of Core Contents Media also expressed, “It’s so shocking, I can’t find the right words to express myself. I will be attending his wake. I never kept frequent contact with him, but I did hear of his whereabouts through the SG Wannabe members.”
He continued, “He had a lot of passion for acting but it didn’t work out as he had hoped. I had advised him so many times that it would have been better for him to return to promoting as a solo singer or with a group. He’s an introverted person and suffered from depression since his days with SG Wannabe. It was difficult for him to connect with people and he was stressed and pressured with his acting and solo career. I spoke with SG Wannabe’s Kim Jin Ho on the phone, but he’s too in shock to say anything.”
My heart is aching just reading this and seeing how loved Dongha is, especially Song Ho Bum’s words:
I think being a singer is so hard because when you’re forgotten, you feel as if you’ve been thrown away.
This just got me thinking. Being a celebrity is so hard. Behind the glamorous visage is a human being struggling to not only make ends meet, but also to remain strong in the face of harsh words being thrown at them. In the face of haters finding it so easy to simply be so inappreciative of even the least they have to offer. In the face of even their own fans, who demand so much of them as though they were made from some unearthly source. More often than not, we tend to forget that these are people just like you and me, vulnerable to the same tendencies and anxieties as us. But unlike us their lives are always under society’s microscope.
People tell them to lose weight; people tell them to gain weight. People tell them to get plastic surgery, people tell them they shouldn’t. People tell them to do this, to do that, and on top of that they have to face cameras, put on a smile and tell the rest of us that everything’s alright. Can you imagine how much pressure they undergo living every single day of their lives?
Can we as fans ease those pressures, by not only standing by them, but understanding that they are just as human as the rest of us?
Can we as humans be at the very least respectful and appreciative of the hard work these celebrities go through to deliver us good entertainment?
As much as they are idols we look up to, they’re also slaves to society — making sure they meet standards we have unknowingly imposed onto them. It happens whenever we spam idols on Twitter and demand repetitively to reply. When we act unruly and disrespectfully during their concerts and fanmeets, we burden them. And when trolls troll and hate for no reason, tell them they’re ugly for no reason, each word that is uttered is another force that tightens that deadly noose.
Of course, everyone deserves constructive criticism once in a while. But no one deserves to be hated on for no reason. No one deserves to be told they are unworthy.
You don’t have to love them. You don’t even have to like them. Just appreciate them. And let’s just hope and pray this trend of suicides end soon.
The ladies of 4minute recently guested on tvN’s talk show, “Taxi“, and shared a painful story about the cruelty of anti-fans.
The girls revealed, “Maybe it’s because we have a strong image, but the hateful replies we receive are a lot more aggressive in comparison to other girl groups. There was one reply that told us to come back after we got plastic surgery, which really shocked us all.”
Oh my god, you have got to be kidding me. You’re telling me that we’ve got netizens trolling celebs with accusations of plastic surgery (exhibit A, B, and C), and on the other hand insulting idols for being au naturel? Could you be any more contradictory?
The attitudes surrounding plastic surgery still seems really divided in the kpop world… some contemplate it while others emphasize natural looks. The unfortunate thing is that whatever side you’re on, people still give you shit.
Well, you know what, 4Minute may not among my top faves, but mad respect goes to these ladies for resisting the pressure and sticking to their natural beauty. These girls are gorgeous just the way they are. But most importantly, they deliver good music, good performances, and they’re damn hardworking. Remind me again how looks play into this.
Middle fingers to those haters. And have some of Hyuna’s IDGAF pelvic thrusts as well. You can’t touch this.
(Recently wrote up a post about plastic surgery. Read it here)
Some. Fans. SMH.
So apparently there’s this tiny thing going on (or was going on) between Block B’s Kyung and a fan of his on Twitter. This fan tried to add Kyung, but got a message telling her that she is “blocked from following” him. She got mad, took a screenshot, and started tweeting it to various users. She also tweeted Kyung asking him why this happened, to which Kyung responded that he had no idea. He later tweeted the following:
You know what people, it doesn’t matter whether Kyung really did block this user or not. What matters is that we all need to understand that these idols have all the right in the world to block whoever they wish, and we shouldn’t go apeshit all over their Twitters screaming nasty words and accusations.
IMO, this particular fan is a spammer*. I went to her Twitter — she spams alot. I think she even admitted herself that she spams*.
*BTW, spamming on Twitter is when you bombard users with a shitload of tweets at a certain time.
*Oh, and I’m not going to admit who this particular user is, because it does not matter. Plus I do not wish to give her more attention than she already has. Doing so will just aggravate the situation more, which is so not necessary.
With that said, it could be possible that Kyung filtered out spammers from his Twitter at an earlier time, and because this user is a spammer she got filtered out as well. Or this could just be a Twitter glitch, who knows.
Regardless of that, Kyung, and all other idols for that matter, have the right to do whatever the hell they wish for the sake of their own comfort. Spams are a pain in the ass, and we filter them out all the time. Idols are allowed to do the same. Butthurt you got blocked? Well then, stop spamming. It’s so inconsiderate and disrespectful in so many ways.
So please, be more thoughtful and considerate to celebrities on Twitter. They’re humans too, just like all of us, and they deserve to be treated with the same respect as everyone else. As a matter of fact, this sort of spamming is not even “spamming” per se — it’s a form of harassment (albeit not the most severe… in the beginning, at least). But still — it’s directed specifically at a person and refers to them intimately, and arguably causes a degree of discomfort. Even though you may not be an anti and just “simply expressing your love and admiration” to them, excessive tweets get very bothersome and gets in the way of the user’s online activities. All in all, you are being disruptive and a nuisance. Just please be
a bit ALOT more courteous next time.
It PISSES ME OFF.
I don’t understand why I see nasty posts whenever I click one of my tracked kpop tags — I mean, what, haters actually tag their posts? It’s obvious they’re looking for a fight.
Which, I’m sorry to say, is just quite sad. It’s SAD. Mindless hating for the mere sake of provoking fans is sad.
And I’m not just talking about antis of my favorite performers — I’m talking about antis of any performer.
I’ll admit, there are some I’m not very fond of. I don’t talk about it, but if I really have to, I’ll rant about them in my blog. But I’m not gonna spit out insults that have no substance other than spite, and I’m especially not going to tag these posts and expect fans to just scroll past them and leave me alone.
BTW, tagging asks… you literally have to publish your response, and then go back to it under “Edit” to actually add tags… so when I see these things among the live results… jeez. Like, haters actually invest effort to hate. SMH seriously.
Again, there is a significant difference between hating and criticizing.
Control yourselves, please. Is it that hard to be respectful of others?
Anyways, like they all say, haters will hate. And the right way to handle them is to NOT spam their asks, because you’re just giving them the attention they want. The worst you can do cross-examine them via their ask, because they’re just gonna throw stupid remarks back at you and make you angrier than you need to be.
As hard as it is, don’t get yourselves so worked up. It’s hard to get at these haters and their thick heads. I know, it pisses you off that there are people out there with the nerves to not only think this way, but to express it out loud shamelessly. But that’s the reality — the world is full of idiots. It always was, and it always will be.
Do what I do and either unfollow them silently, or block them. Out of sight, out of mind. They’re not worth your time.